I am here. Recalibrating. Questioning one self by the soft voice while I took a shower and I daydream most of the time and I rarely question it. But now, I questioned it. It feels different. It feels that laziness brought me where I needed to be. Silence gave me guidance while I am having tug of war with my mind and it is far much freeing than asking one person about of where you are. That's why I asked for guidance from the divine, from my savior, Christ. Because in Him, there's peace. But this comment is an appreciation of your post because it led me here, knowing that I'm not alone. That I'm not crazy or lazy, because I entered the now before and now I'm living it.
I don't claim to have been 'awakened’ but purely from a theoretical perspective, this doesn't seem to fit.
Awakening has many interpretations. The one which Buddhism says, is that awakening is a transcendence of the conditioned self.
When such an awareness arises, and it is possible for everyone to do so, then there is no resistance to the world. There is no more suffering. There is only equanimity and compassion.
I think this is opposite to feeling worthless or devoid of motivation. Because when we understand that we are dependent beings, that we are connected to everything else, we are filled with love and empathy. There is a great motivation to help others. It is automatic, instead of having to think about it. It is instinctive.
When we give up on an identity to get pulled into another identity, this is not awareness. Instead we now start getting pulled into the second identity’s motivations.
Awareness works at a higher level than identities. It is about realising how they form. How stickiness to these identities develops. How conditioning happens. That is realised through correct understanding of sunyata, or emptiness, or dependent orginaiton.
There is no awareness underneath an identity, as per my understanding of Buddhism. What you are describing is another identity, also called the atman, which is typically how Vedanta describes it. People call it by different names - stillness, void, awareness, etc. I didn't mean it in that sense.
In fact, it is not possible to view the world without the lens of an identity. So, it is not possible what you say : 'when all the identities fall away'. What madhyamaka says, and nagarjuna proves in the tetralemma, is that there is no such independent identity. Identities are constructions, they are tools. They are dependent on causes. They are indispensable, but they are also often the cause of suffering.
Suffering occurs because of our stickiness to these identities. Detach from them and we start seeing more clearly. If someone asks, who is this 'I' who will see more clearly? It is a conditioned self. An identity. But if you ask, is this I inherent, permanent, automonous or self-existent? No. That is where divergence occurs.
Detachment is not indifference. That is why I wrote that awakening does not result into not having any motivation. Awakening is when detachment from craving, from attachment of these selves, causes us to see clearly the dependent nature of the world. Then connectedness is realised, empathy begins and compassion arises. Why? Because this is the true nature of the world. If you ask, who is feeling this empathy? I would say, it is a self, a constructed identity. Then the world arises and destructs in each moment, because our senses and mind processes and constructs it in each moment.
Thank you so much, this is what I really truly needed to hear. This helps me to understand what it is. I’m going through right now after turning 80 nothing has really changed after age 79. Why did I think it would I love everything I just heard from you
I resonated deeply with the shift you described from ego death to operating from Inner Being. The trek through the void was hard, but reading this reminded me why I wouldn't trade it. Being truly is delicious. Thanks for assembling these insights.
This is exactly what I needed to read, thank you. I’m navigating this phase of life right now, and without any real knowledge of Jung’s work, you’ve captured what I’ve been doing almost intuitively. It’s just fascinating to learn that I’m not alone in this experience, and that slowing down is ok and part of the process.
"From true inaction, true action arises" ~ Tao de Ching 👌
Beautiful
Thank you for exploring this transition. It deeply resonated with me and gave words to what I am experiencing. Keep up the great work!✨
Thank you Susan for your beautiful comment.
I felt every word ripple through me. Thankyou for sharing this. 🙏
I am glad Sarah, it resonated with you
Thank you for sharing this. I have been stuck in this void for six years. I am just starting grow and reshape myself out of it. Thank you.
May God bless you abundantly
Excepfional! Gonna read more articles! So happy I found this! ❤️ Thank you!
Thank you Angel
I am right here at this point! Stuck in the void! So this article was a synchronicity for me! ❤️thank you! ❤️🥰
I am glad it resonated with you
Me too! But I’m just at the beginning of understanding it! I was stuck in the void for years! Nice to meet another one of us! ❤️ thank you too!
Rest in silence. It will heal you :)
Thank you for helping me to discover where I am.
Thank you June
If ego death is absolute, there's no question/doubt. Surrender is natural. There's no option, since there's no doer.
True..Here at this phase ego death is not absolute..
I am here. Recalibrating. Questioning one self by the soft voice while I took a shower and I daydream most of the time and I rarely question it. But now, I questioned it. It feels different. It feels that laziness brought me where I needed to be. Silence gave me guidance while I am having tug of war with my mind and it is far much freeing than asking one person about of where you are. That's why I asked for guidance from the divine, from my savior, Christ. Because in Him, there's peace. But this comment is an appreciation of your post because it led me here, knowing that I'm not alone. That I'm not crazy or lazy, because I entered the now before and now I'm living it.
After ego death, the only real motivation left is presence itself. This truth takes courage to sit with. Beautifully written.
Why would someone feel worthless after awakening?
I don't claim to have been 'awakened’ but purely from a theoretical perspective, this doesn't seem to fit.
Awakening has many interpretations. The one which Buddhism says, is that awakening is a transcendence of the conditioned self.
When such an awareness arises, and it is possible for everyone to do so, then there is no resistance to the world. There is no more suffering. There is only equanimity and compassion.
I think this is opposite to feeling worthless or devoid of motivation. Because when we understand that we are dependent beings, that we are connected to everything else, we are filled with love and empathy. There is a great motivation to help others. It is automatic, instead of having to think about it. It is instinctive.
When we give up on an identity to get pulled into another identity, this is not awareness. Instead we now start getting pulled into the second identity’s motivations.
Awareness works at a higher level than identities. It is about realising how they form. How stickiness to these identities develops. How conditioning happens. That is realised through correct understanding of sunyata, or emptiness, or dependent orginaiton.
There is no awareness underneath an identity, as per my understanding of Buddhism. What you are describing is another identity, also called the atman, which is typically how Vedanta describes it. People call it by different names - stillness, void, awareness, etc. I didn't mean it in that sense.
In fact, it is not possible to view the world without the lens of an identity. So, it is not possible what you say : 'when all the identities fall away'. What madhyamaka says, and nagarjuna proves in the tetralemma, is that there is no such independent identity. Identities are constructions, they are tools. They are dependent on causes. They are indispensable, but they are also often the cause of suffering.
Suffering occurs because of our stickiness to these identities. Detach from them and we start seeing more clearly. If someone asks, who is this 'I' who will see more clearly? It is a conditioned self. An identity. But if you ask, is this I inherent, permanent, automonous or self-existent? No. That is where divergence occurs.
Detachment is not indifference. That is why I wrote that awakening does not result into not having any motivation. Awakening is when detachment from craving, from attachment of these selves, causes us to see clearly the dependent nature of the world. Then connectedness is realised, empathy begins and compassion arises. Why? Because this is the true nature of the world. If you ask, who is feeling this empathy? I would say, it is a self, a constructed identity. Then the world arises and destructs in each moment, because our senses and mind processes and constructs it in each moment.
Hope this clarifies. Regards. T.
If you are interested, for more details, you can read https://handofclay.substack.com/p/why-feel-conflicted?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=fkv4g
Thank you so much, this is what I really truly needed to hear. This helps me to understand what it is. I’m going through right now after turning 80 nothing has really changed after age 79. Why did I think it would I love everything I just heard from you
Jannene Beal
It really helped, thankyouuu so muchhhhh!
Carl Jung was an occultist who in modern day would be considered part of the billionaire elite machine. His work is not to be trusted.
Brilliant
I resonated deeply with the shift you described from ego death to operating from Inner Being. The trek through the void was hard, but reading this reminded me why I wouldn't trade it. Being truly is delicious. Thanks for assembling these insights.
This is exactly what I needed to read, thank you. I’m navigating this phase of life right now, and without any real knowledge of Jung’s work, you’ve captured what I’ve been doing almost intuitively. It’s just fascinating to learn that I’m not alone in this experience, and that slowing down is ok and part of the process.